Multiple Ghosts?
There are many locations that claim, or have a reputation of being haunted by more than one ghost? Is this possible, or do you believe that the nun on the hallway, white lady of the stairs and crippled slave swinging in the attic could all be symptoms of just one haunting.
There are many locations that claim, or have a reputation of being haunted by more than one ghost? Is this possible, or do you believe that the nun on the hallway, white lady of the stairs and crippled slave swinging in the attic could all be symptoms of just one haunting.
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I think that any location claiming to have more than one ghost has just that. It goes back to the saying I’ve seen around the internet for a while now: ghosts were people too. I don’t think that when we die, women suddenly know how to take on the characteristics of men (or vice versa) or people and animals. We’re all individuals and each haunting is a separate entity.
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What haunted places DO usually have is multiple hot spots. Haunting activity tends only to take place in certain places in a building, usually single rooms or even parts of rooms. The same activity is usually always reported in any particular hot spot. So a ghost may appear in one hot spot and whispering be heard in another.
This may give rise to the idea of multiple ghosts in one building.
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But what about people who see full manifestations? Or even partial ones where sex can be determined?
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I think whe it comes down to questioning apparitions it all boils down again to what exactly a ghost is. Is it spiritual, in which case several may be living in a house, like shared student accomodation or whether they are something else.
What distracts me is when I find a location that has started clocking up large numbers of ghosts, 5, 10, 15 some even as many as 20. In a lot of cases I think these claims can be tracked back mediums or people who are "sensitive" muddying the water. Just because they pick up a man in a tweed jacket by a fireplace does not he actually haunts the site.
I think agree with Mysteryshopper with mulyiple areas of activity making up a haunted zone or house.
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True enough, but I don”t see any reason that it can’t happen. I know of one case I looked into claimed multiple appriitions from different periods of time. All we got were doors unlocking, then opening and closing, but… I can’t totally discount the eyewitness reports.
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[quote=Andrasta]But what about people who see full manifestations? Or even partial ones where sex can be determined?[/quote]
I must admit that if you have say an apparition of a woman in one part of a house and say one of a male dwarf in another room it would appear to be two seperate and distinct ghosts.
If we are looking at a haunting potentially being a cluster of hotspots, then have any studies been done on thier proximity to each other. Are they usually within say, 50 foot of each other and are they all active at once or on rotation or totally random?
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I think its completely possible, Though ide like to see if they are able to appear in the same building at the same time,
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I agree that if you have temperature fluctuations within close proximity to one another, then it’s a good chance only one spirit is there just moving around. Ultimately I suppose you have to rely on eyewitness accounts or the word of a sensitive.
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[quote=Red Don]If we are looking at a haunting potentially being a cluster of hotspots, then have any studies been done on thier proximity to each other. Are they usually within say, 50 foot of each other and are they all active at once or on rotation or totally random?
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I am not sure if any such studies have been done Red. I wonder if there is any relationship between the number of ghosts a location claims and the number of rooms it has?
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Imagine a haunted Battlefield with multiple apparitions of figures fighting. Would the whole battle be classed as a ghost or single large apparition or would be say 50+ ghosts of dead soldiers come back to finish off the enemy?
The ghostly nuns seen walking in a row down a corridor. One ghost or three?
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Good question Ian, but it’s too early and my brain hurts when I try to sort out complex questions at this hour.
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Ide say thatde class as a "Playback" or "Imprint" ghost, Ghosts witch re-inact an event, continuously are often considored completely different from, ghosts witch actualy react to people, In Short, Its the ghost of an event
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There are many castles in Scotland proudly boasting to be "home" to anywhere from five to fiteen separate ghosts. Often overenthusiastic guides and promoters forget to mention that many of these apparitions haven’t been seen in quite a while. If I remember correctly the only ghost of Glamis Castle which has been seen in the past fifty years is the Green (or Grey) Lady haunting the chapel.
On the issue of multiple apparitions it all depends on how you define a ghost: spirit of the deceased or some kind physical/psychic phenomenon, a "film" if you like? In the latter case even a complex apparition, say the battle of Naseby, may be seen as a single event, a single "ghost", especially given the fact that many soldiers seen in ghost form were still alive and well at the time of the apparition.
In Distortion We Trust
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Hi Mauro,
Distortion or not, lol, I enjoyed researching all the ghost
in the castles of Scotland. It actually led me here.
Noah
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[quote=Leekduck]Ide say thatde class as a "Playback" or "Imprint" ghost, Ghosts witch re-inact an event, continuously are often considored completely different from, ghosts witch actualy react to people, In Short, Its the ghost of an event[/quote]
Are there multiple types of ghosts? There are many unproven theories about what a ghost is and the stone tape or playback theory is one of them, as is the theory of ghosts being spirits. If a haunting does not fit a given theory does this mean it is an entirely differant type of ghost or that the theory is flawed somehow?
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I think there are multiple types of ghosts, I agree with the Playback theory because its easy to understand. But thats me just trying to make everything logical.
There are numerous castles each claiming to have more then one ghost, Glamis Castle claims to have around 11. They probably are all different ghosts, though I have never ever heard of more then one ghosts manifesting at the same time.
I remember watching an episode of ghost hunters, when they were doing Mary Kings Close. (Witch is haunted by around 3 ghosts, Chesney, The close’s last resident, a girl named annie, and a horse and carraige). They only got any evidence of a haunting from Chesney (They got a photo of him) Whilst the other ghosts seemed entirely quiet, Even when they tried to anger the ghost of Annie, By taking away the toys that visitors had left for her, Nothing happened. A Similar thing happened when a different paranormal group (Whos name I cant remember for the life of me) Went to Alcatraz Prison, Witch is haunted by three ghosts (the Infamous Al Capone, One of Capones murder victims who Followed him to the prison, Myles O’Bannion, And civil war Criminal Jim Cooks). They only got activity from Cooks, but not from the other two ghost’s.
This Certainly points to the suspition that, in most places, theres only enough energy for one ghost at a time, And so a field, witch is haunted by squadrons of soldiers who re-inact a battle. This Field must either have a massive amount of energy, Or It is, somehow, one ghost or manifestation.
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I will tell you all an interesting story.
I have studied hauntings over the years and it is very rare to have what you call a multiple haunting.
Do I have your attention please?
We lived in a Georgian house built about 1720. Lovely place.It was and as far as I know still has the same name. It is a Nursing home now and that is why I will not give it’s name or location. However, we always, as a family had a ritual on the eve of the Epiphany (6th Jan).when in Christianity the 3 Kings come to do homage to the infant Jesus
It went like this. My Dad would go downstairs and put the three Kings in the crib. To cut a long story short,as he put the figures in,he suddenly realised that he was surrounded by a huge crowd of people/spirits.
He abandoned everything ie the candle and holy water he was holding and went back upstairs to my mother who was still in bed,he said, everyone who lived in this place is here
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There is a classical view of what a ghost is, and that model even permeates through modern conceptualisations. But what if that ancient conceptual model was wrong? What if these apparently humanoid apparitions were merely a guise? Is what you see really what you get, or are these entities something altogether non-human? After all, that is what I’d found in the 1990s. An alternative hypothesis seems to imply that these are multi-dimensional beings, who originated on other worlds.
I even learned than another researcher (Barbara) had, decades ago as a child, been confronted by a ‘ghost’ who told her that his humanoid appearance was only a disguise to make her feel comfortable. This childhood experience (which Barbara said had freaked her out at the time) came out in conversation, whist discussing the incongruities noted at various haunting venues. The childhood invisible friend syndrome seems to be quite common, and my own mother appears to have been involved. So what restrictions apply when the classical concepts fail?
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Stephan, you’ve been pushing this multi-dimensional theory around the forum for a while now, and I’m curious what proof you have of this (since suddenly our site is attracting people pushing books of late).
Since I can think of two incidents where the subject was positivly ided by people who knew them in life, I have to ponder why hyper-dimensional beings would take on the appearnace of dead humans, since this would freak them out MORE, not LESS if you stop and think about human psychology.
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Dear Baronlveagh,
If I had never been personally involved in haunting events, I would have presumed that the classical concepts of ‘spirits-of-the-dead’ were correct. Instead, these personal experiences have pointed toward something altogether different. My wife and I have experienced many such things, and, unfortunately, the power of illusion effortlessly equates to the power of technological knowledge. On one occasion, back in 1995, a spirit writer, who honestly believed that she was in contact with her dead mother, was frightened out of our home. Her supposedly human ghost-to-writing paper ‘contacts’ turned into aliens.
I have a friend named Mark, who is a fellow equally experienced in such matters, staying here for the weekend. He was actually born in Sacramento, CA, back in 1963. Mark, who now lives in Watford, Hertfordshire, encounters an identical kind of spooky weirdness to that which my wife and I experience. In conversation, Mark agrees that, unless someone has experienced personal haunting for themselves, they cannot comprehend this exceptionally eerie state of affairs, or its altogether otherworldly characteristics.
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… that’s intereting, but what leads you to the conclusion about them not being dead humans?
I ask this as, while I myself have not been ‘personally’ haunted (if by being subject to a haunting reguardless of my location is what you are reffering to), I have both visited and resided in locations belived to be so. In those places, I have, on occasion, seen things that seem to contradict the ‘normal’ course of events. (phantom Civil War soldiers, dead ship’s crewmen, strange lights, sounds, dopplegangers, doors opening and closing without air movement…)
I have even, for instance, seen a situation where a ghost did real physical harm to someone (flung off the top of a building).
I have seen exactly one thing I would catagorize as non-human, at Shiloh Battlefield. I’ve seen a lot that otherwise I would say were human in origin (one way or the other).
Summum Nec Metuam Diem Nec Optima
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… that’s intereting, but what leads you to the conclusion about them not being dead humans?
I ask this as, while I myself have not been ‘personally’ haunted (if by being subject to a haunting reguardless of my location is what you are reffering to), I have both visited and resided in locations belived to be so. In those places, I have, on occasion, seen things that seem to contradict the ‘normal’ course of events. (phantom Civil War soldiers, dead ship’s crewmen, strange lights, sounds, dopplegangers, doors opening and closing without air movement…)
I have even, for instance, seen a situation where a ghost did real physical harm to someone (flung off the top of a building).
I have seen exactly one thing I would catagorize as non-human, at Shiloh Battlefield. I’ve seen a lot that otherwise I would say were human in origin (one way or the other).
Summum Nec Metuam Diem Nec Optima
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Dear Baronlveagh,
Amongst our weird experiences, and most undoubtedly constituting a non-human encounter, the repetitive ghost dog scenario was typical of the kind of bizarre spookiness my wife (Lesley) and I have experienced. The dead dog in question was, in actuality, a cross-breed bitch named Heidi. In the spring of 1994, then aged 14, Heidi had developed a brain tumour. We took Heidi to the vets in Hatfield Road, Smallford, St Albans, Hertfordshire, where she had to be put down.
Months later, during the summer of 1994, whilst driving on the A4, through the outskirts of Marlborough, Wiltshire, I was surprised to hear my wife shouting out “Heidi”. My wife had been asleep in the passenger seat, as I drove the car to the Alton Priors/Alton Barnes area of Wiltshire. It was evening time, and our destination is a night watch at this hotspot for crop circles and UFOs. As Lesley awoke, she claimed that she could feel Heidi at her feet, and smell her awful breath. We drove to Alton Priors/Alton Barnes, and, as Lesley claims, Heidi stayed with her all night.
As I drove the car back past the spot on the A4 where Heidi had appeared, Lesley reported that Heidi jumped out of the car. This ghost dog car haunting happened every subsequent time I drove to, and away from, the Alton Priors/Alton Barnes hotspot on the A4. That spot was the turn off to Manton House & Hollow, and the horseracing stables. As Heidi had died in Hertfordshire, it seemed somewhat odd that her ghost should be in Wiltshire. Also, why didn’t I experience the ghost?
This is highly suspect, as the events appear to have been contrived. If this haunting was real, then how come the meaning of the location name, ‘Manton’, matches to the Teutonic name ‘Heidi’. The Anglo-Saxon (surname & place-name) ‘Manton’ means ‘[from the] Hero’s Farm’; the name ‘Heidi’ means ‘The Battle Maiden’. Furthermore, there is a repetitive connection to horses here, as with ‘Roswell’ (Teutonic), which means ‘The Mighty Steed’.
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Further peculiarities, concerning Heidi, the ghost dog, add weight to the concept of trickery. Firstly, Heidi repeatedly chewed her fur during her life, such that it became lodged in her teeth. This eventually resulted in foul breath. However, my wife found a solution, because Heidi loved peppermints. In the ghost dog scenario, my wife discovered that she could do the same trick with an imaginary peppermint. That implies that Heidi’s ghost was in her psyche, but that it was triggered by an external stimulus.
Secondly, dogs cannot read road-signs. So how, in the year 2000, when I took a different route home, could Heidi possibly know that the turning to our left would take her back to Manton House & Hollow? These factors can be turned around to present a clue. Could the ancients have been tricked into believing in alternative spiritual realities that actually never existed?
‘The Wizard of Oz principle’ is based on the concept that events can be both logically true, and logically false, at the very same time. The book, entitled ‘The Wonderful Wizard of Oz’, was, of course, a complete fiction. However, it would be illogical to conclude that the book itself was a fiction. By logical default ‘The Wonderful Wizard of Oz’ was a real book, and was written by a real author. Even in the fictional Wizard of Oz character presented the paradox, as he was acting the part of a fake magician.
A similar scenario was presented in the 1974 movie ‘Zardoz’. I consider this significant, because the Zardoz movie plot converts the original Wizard of Oz character into a fake god, who is jokingly named ‘Zardoz’. I say that this is significant, because my contention is that advanced extraterrestrials once used technological trickery to fool humans.
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i like the way you search for clues to the conundrum of why an apparition should appear in an unexpected place and also why one person can see or sense it while another does not.
it obviously depends on i guess two factors-the human brain and the location of the person.
it’s interesting for exasmple the way you say she was asleep/dozing?. also you mention that you were travelling through a "hotspot" for UFO’s.
i think we are close to solving hauntings if we note the locations and the timings and the state of mind of the particular human being at the time. I have noticed with frustration that a lot of ghost hunters do not for example, note the layout of a property say, ie the number of rooms and their measurements precislely.
also the orientation of the property-north/south etc. we need to collate this in greater detail.
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[quote=indiagold]i think we are close to solving hauntings if we note the locations and the timings and the state of mind of the particular human being at the time[/quote]
Would you care to outline your proposed solution to hauntings, please?
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Hauntings are caused by bad feng shui? I have to admit, that’s one I have not heard before.
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Dear All,
People, quite naturally, assume that the ancients knew what a ghost was. Likewise, they assume that the ancients knew that a poltergeist was an entity of distinguishable nature. But in those days, of course, there were demons, hobgoblins, and angels. “Burn that witch!” they cried. This is, perhaps, the reason why Einstein so admired Sir Isaac Newton. Yes, Newton was the knight who offended a pope, yet A Pope attended his funeral. Surely angels moved the heavens around?
To Einstein, it wouldn’t have been a matter of whether Newton was dead right or not, but what nonsense Newton had to contend with in his lifetime. The truth is that ignorance was the norm in previous times, when little more than muscle power produced the daily bread. Folks went to church, and were told what the truth was by the clergy. The very notion that the clergymen might not know the truth was quite unthinkable to all but an elite few.
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Dear IndaGold,
Wiltshire’s paranormal hotspots: After witnessing many phenomena, whose uncanny linkages could only be explained if they were under some form of centralised control, I was left without a shadow of a doubt that nothing I’d seen was quite how it appeared. To this day, I remain confident that crop circles relate to ley lines, just as UFOs relate to crop circles, and just as ghosts relate to ley lines, crop circles, and UFOs. Indeed, if anyone is checking out a haunting then they should also use dowsing rods to check for Ley Lines.
If crop circles relate to ley lines, just as UFOs relate to crop circles, and ghosts relate to ley lines, crop circles, and UFOs, then please note the ley line link to Stone Henge, Wiltshire. As long ago as 1992, I had personally discovered ley lines that were intelligently controlled. The first one was at Avebury, Wiltshire, where I was ‘shown’, with some considerable, though invisible, force, that ley lines were a genuine phenomenon. Then, as if to confirm the intelligent control, the ley line force vanished. We currently have a ley line just outside the back door, here in Welwyn Garden City.
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hello Baronlveagh
well that just about sums it up!
I’ll get back to you all later
Ciao
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I am not an expert, but who of us are?
The old idea of Feng shui, or geomancy if you prefer, is part of the answer.
look at the work of Michael Persinger
Ifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Persinger
(sorry I can’t put the link in, for some reason)
His view is that human beings-in particular, the human brain, is a delicate instrument, and therefore, is subject to the vagaries of the Earth’s magnetic field.
This can lead to people having anything from bad dreams to outright mental breakdown.
It can damage perception. this might acount for UFO/ghost sightings.Basically, these people, were in the wrong place at the wrong time, as it were. Just a theory.
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The greatest multiple haunting of all time is the battle of
Edgehill in the Civil War Period.
Many of the witnesses were still alive, and could identify comrades. What on earth is going on?
King Charles I ordered an enquiry. I believe, that this is the only “ghost story”that ended up in the National Archives
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The interesting thing is that Edgehill is close to Warmington, Warwickshire. I have checked, and Warmington village did exist at the time of the English Civil War. It got it’s name from the person who once owned the land. Interesting that there is a double ‘War’ reference in that address. I think that this manifestation was a set-up job, just as with Heidi, the ghost dog. Remember that Heidi means ‘the battle maiden’, and that Manton means ‘[from the] Hero’s Farm’.
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well that’s one heck of a "set up" what about the many witnesses and the fact that the "apparition" appeared quite a number of times? they can’t all have been lying or mistaken,surely?
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What’s so hard to imagine? My wife was caught-out every time, because she sincerely wanted to believe that the ghost of Heidi was real. The apparition of Heidi occurred repetitiously. If people sincerely want to believe in something, then they will ignore the incongruities of the situation.