Why we can’t see God
I came across this article (apparently written by a scientist) on why we can’t see God. It is a scientific explanation about all the dimension. To be honest, most of it flapped over my head. In other words, I could not understand what he was talking about. Maybe I ought to read it again when I am not feeling so sleepy.
I came across this article (apparently written by a scientist) on why we can’t see God. It is a scientific explanation about all the dimension. To be honest, most of it flapped over my head. In other words, I could not understand what he was talking about. Maybe I ought to read it again when I am not feeling so sleepy. Still thought I would post the link here for those interested in such things.
http://www.web-books.com/GoodPost/Articles/SeeGod.htm
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I don’t actually believe in God anymore. I suppose the Sun was worshipped for far longer than the current ‘God’ and we can still see that.
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As a polytheist, I believe it is possible to ‘see’ a god but perhaps not in the way we all might like to.
You can’t see the wind but you can see how it affects the things around it. Just because you don’t see it that doesn’t mean it isn’t there. If you wish to give it a form then you (as in everyone personally) must give it it’s form but don’t expect to literally see it and certainly don’t expect others to see what you do.
Some say ‘seeing is believing’ but it depends on entirely how you are ‘seeing’.
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[quote=Ian Topham]I don’t actually believe in God anymore. I suppose the Sun was worshipped for far longer than the current ‘God’ and we can still see that. [/quote]
Last week I answered the door to some evangelists (no idea what faith) who asked me if I believed in God, at this point my dog ran out of the front door into the garden, and I told them i believed in Dog – they didn’t seem very amused and left quite quickly – so much for a sense of humour, and my punchline that Dog exists!
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By the way: this did happen a bit of a ‘billy connolly’ moment, thought I would share it, The article didn’t make much sense to me either.
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Hi
in answer to your question…..umm if you was to ask any member of any faith at they would look at you in a very odd way i have asked this as well i lived in Isreal for over 15 years and if any country is void of god it is that one!….even if being the brith place of christ!
well getting back to what they would say some would say he lives inside of us make us what we are helps a leads us….ect ….blah…blah!…
Then others would say you can see god every day we is the sun the stars,the moon the gentle breeze on your face the leafs in the tress,…ect Blah…Blah…
I think you are getting what im getting at?….lol
I agree with Ian i dont actually belive in god….being a paranormal investigator you may think thats very wrong?…well i’ve seen far more to surpport at the spirit world is closer then ever.
And if there is a god hes out to lunch…a very long lunch!
phil
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Perhaps another way to put it that is a bit more understandable.
Consider that we live in one world and that our impressions of that world are confined to our abilities to perceive it. We realize that a physical reality exists and we suspect that reality represents all that is. But our perception is confined by what we believe to be reality. That reality is in fact more like a computer screen or interface. What we see on the screen is a representation of true objective reality and in fact need not resemble that reality.
This opens the door to the possibility that other worlds may exist, and in those worlds other things might exist of which we have no sense whatsoever. They might or might not interact with us in our worlds.
As a proof of this, theoretical physicists cite the apparent fact that light for example seems incapable of crossing between worlds, but that the gravity force does seem so capable. So there may be a way to communicate between worlds in a way that is not understood by theoretical physics at this time.
Hope this helps clarify a bit.
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[quote=PhenomInvestigator]As a proof of this, theoretical physicists cite the apparent fact that light for example seems incapable of crossing between worlds, but that the gravity force does seem so capable.[/quote]
Do you have a link for this, please? What sort of worlds are you talking about here?
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It is difficult to find this clearly expressed in lay terms in most scientific papers. Physicists tend to speak in code.
What we are speaking of here is the relationship of the graviton and its so-called ‘bound state’ to branes.
The following is from the Introduction to a paper by physicists Lisa Randall of Princeton Univ and Raman Sundra of Boston University entitled “An Alternative to Compactification”. See this link
Quoting:
“There exists “lore” that convinces us that we live in four non-compact dimensions. Certainly Standard Model matter cannot propagate a large distance in extra dimensions without conflict with observations. As has recently been emphasized, this can be avoided if the Standard Model is confined to a (3 + 1)-dimensional subspace, or “3-brane”, in the higher dimensions.
However, this solution will not work for gravity, which necessarily propagates in all dimensions as it is the dynamics of spacetime itself. The experimental success of of Newton’s 1/r2 law and general relativity would therefore seem to imply precisely four non-compact dimensions.
Additional dimensions would be acceptable, so long as they are compact and sufficiently small to be consistent with current gravitational tests.”
I hope this is helpful.
Anomalous Phenomena is Unexplained not Impossible
Psi is Subtle not Absolute
Anything is possible, it’a all a matter of Probability
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They way I read it, the quote doesn’t say light cannot travel between higher space dimensions. In higher space dimensions wouldn’t gravity and light diminish more quickly with distance eg an R cubed law with a fourth space dimension?
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Ha Ha Ha Excellent I like it!!!
We have never seen “God” so how do we know that “IT” has ever existed? I like the idea of worshipping the sun that we can see (as already mentioned above). Much more practical if we have to worship anything.
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Actually, no. Photons (light) are bound to their branes of origin, however gravitons, which are what interests us here, are in fact not so bound. In summary, gravitons are believed to transverse dimensions which is why the gravity force seems at once weak and at the same time strong. This interdimensional explanation is one of the few current solutions to this problem which has been plaguing physics for a long time. I chose Randall’s paper because she is the one who first formulated this idea.
[i]Anomalous Phenomena is Unexplained not Impossible
Psi is Subtle not Absolute
Anything is possible, it’a all a matter of Probability[/i]
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[quote=PhenomInvestigator]Actually, no. Photons (light) are bound to their branes of origin, however gravitons, which are what interests us here, are in fact not so bound. In summary, gravitons are believed to transverse dimensions which is why the gravity force seems at once weak and at the same time strong. This interdimensional explanation is one of the few current solutions to this problem which has been plaguing physics for a long time. I chose Randall’s paper because she is the one who first formulated this idea.
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This is all theoretical at present. No one has detected a graviton, brane or higher dimensions as yet! There is nothing to say any of it is correct.
The idea of explaining why we CAN’T see something is not the usual way science works. Usually we try to explain what we can see. There would first have to be some strong evidence for the existence of a god before we need to explain why we can’t see it!
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While the work is theoretical, that is the appropriate position for the research at present. In fact that is true of a large majority of the work in quantum mechanics.
Of course the graviton is an unobserved, virtual particle. But this does not prevent theoreticians from invoking it as an explanation. And it is particularly attractive, given that the resulting mathematical theories are consistent with observable results. For example, energy is lost in atomic collisions. One real possibility is that this lost energy is in fact attributable to gravitons.
As for observing God, certainly we don’t see in the way the physical scientist defines ‘observation’. But in a real way we observe the result of creation in the act of doing science everyday. And in that abstract sense, we continually ‘see God’ metaphorically.
Anomalous Phenomena is Unexplained not Impossible
Psi is Subtle not Absolute
Anything is possible, it’a all a matter of Probability
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[quote=PhenomInvestigator]For example, energy is lost in atomic collisions. One real possibility is that this lost energy is in fact attributable to gravitons.[/quote]
Which atomic collisions? Do you have a link, please?
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[quote=PhenomInvestigator]In fact that is true of a large majority of the work in quantum mechanics.[/quote]
Which major parts of quantum mechanics have not yet been observed? I’m intrigued!
[quote]Of course the graviton is an unobserved, virtual particle. But this does not prevent theoreticians from invoking it as an explanation.[/quote]
Indeed not but if you are trying to explain something for which there is little or no evidence, invoking aomething which has never been observed doesn’t seem a great place to start.
[quote]As for observing God, certainly we don’t see in the way the physical scientist defines ‘observation’. But in a real way we observe the result of creation in the act of doing science everyday. And in that abstract sense, we continually ‘see God’ metaphorically.[/quote]
I know you asre talking metaphorically but many people believe gods are the inventions of human beings, given the lack of obvious objective evidence for their existence. So many people do not see nature as the creation of deities, even metaphorically.
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I might point out that, to one point, MS, that several particals that should exist, and for which we have mathmatical proofs, have never actually been observed. The Higgs boson, for example, is a popular one of late which they are trying to find direct evidence of.
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I’m not sure why anyone would need proof to believe in a philosophy… Or a moral for that matter… Would it matter if we argued about weather or not the rabbit could talk and was outrun by a turtle and if they were real? And ended up concluding the moral was a lie because nobody could prove the turtle existed? Pretty stupid I would think…
And Sun worshiping? Who would bother with that big ball in the sky… did I spell that right Ball or Baal? Why would you not? What is true and what is not I do not know.
But id your say you believe in god and someone says there is no proof of god.. And I say I do not know… which one of us three are closest to the truth?
Whats wrong with calling Ball the son of god, my spelling again… Baal Sun of Good… oh my you know what I mean… Don’t you?
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You can’t see consiouness but that exists does it not? 😉
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[quote=MacNova] You can’t see consiouness but that exists does it not? ;)[/quote]
Macnova, the cynic in me want to point out that there’s no evidence thought exists in the conventional sense either. While a lot of educated men will make noise about chemicals or the interpaly of signal between neurons, most of them if you pin them down will admit that we still have very little idea how it works, or what thought really even is.
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Well that is exactly why I must remain agnostic on the matter I don’t think I know. Although I am pretty sure nobody else knows either.